#indieweb

2014-08-27

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KevinMarks
So should we redo that work?
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KevinMarks
Given site deaths it should be easier now
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tantek
KevinMarks: we both have no choice, as any scientists who have to redo the work of alchemists who didn't document their work, and we *ARE* redoing this work with a document-it-as-you-implement it practical self-dog-food culture
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tantek
it's also why we've come up with far simpler methods/approaches - that happens when you're forced to implement it if you want it
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tantek
as opposed to being forced to come to some political consensus with non-implementers
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: your homework assignment/mission, should you choose to accept it, is to research what do newspapers call the photo they sometimes post with an article - do they have a special name for it like "representative photo"
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tantek
you may use any means at your disposal, including directly contacting Jeremy Zilar at the New York Times who has done research into the different names for the different sizes of headings for example
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tantek
(a shortcut would be to hack/reuse "icon" or "logo" as a property, e.g. u-icon or u-logo, but those don't exactly mean "representative photo" so we may be doing ourselves a disservice there)
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KevinMarks
Thumbnail?
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KevinMarks
Icon isn't bad
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tantek
KevinMarks: guessing at bikeshedding before researching existing use is bad form/methodology, hence why I explicitly warned against that shortcut.
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tantek
!tell snarfed,kylewm one more (hopefully minor this time) Bridgy Publish to FB request. Could I have it say "Originally published at: PostPermalinkURL" instead of "(PostPermalinkURL)" at end of FB POSSE copy? Trying for more human-friendly (paren syntax was intended for Twitter where chars are tight).
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu
tantek_ extensive searching found nothing :(
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KartikPrabhu
hero image :P
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KartikPrabhu
The Guardian calls it photograph/graphic: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2011/08/26/EducCentNewsterminology.pdf
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KevinMarks
Google+ calls it full bleed image for a photo post and thumbnail image for what Tantek calls representative photo https://developers.google.com/+/web/snippet/article-rendering
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@kaffeeringe
Do it! Meine To-Do-Liste fürs Indie-Netz #indieweb #posse http://www.konradlischka.info/2014/08/blog/do-it-meine-to-do-liste-fuers-indie-netz/ (twtr.io/q3xZbbQmnU)
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@wolfwitte
RT @kaffeeringe: Do it! Meine To-Do-Liste fürs Indie-Netz #indieweb #posse http://www.konradlischka.info/2014/08/blog/do-it-meine-to-do-liste-fuers-indie-netz/ (twtr.io/q3y4hfj9t4)
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@coldheat
RT @kopfzeiler: Bemerkenswerte Entwicklung, auch semantisch: Self-hosting heißt jetzt #IndieWeb. http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/04/25/indiewebcamps_create_tools_for_a_new_internet.html (twtr.io/q3ytDo_cs0)
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KevinMarks_
Check out @0x0acebabe's Tweet: https://twitter.com/0x0acebabe/status/504562917874728960
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@0x0acebabe
@kevinmarks "every social network will eventually contain a slow, informally specified, bug-ridden implementation of LJ friend permissions" (twtr.io/q42ERA5Db0)
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channy.creation.net
created /ko (+2593) "/* main page for Korean */" (view diff)
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channy.creation.net
edited /ko (+67) "/* add events for Korean */" (view diff)
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channy.creation.net
created /ko/Getting_Started (+7655) "/* Add the first translation */" (view diff)
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@LongHandPixels
@rubenlightfoot @aral no offense, but that analogy makes no sense. The #indieweb predates @Medium by what? 25 years? Silos are new. (twtr.io/q4J8zaE2aj)
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@LongHandPixels
@rubenlightfoot @aral I think the #indieweb is more like emacs to the silos' sublime text. In ten years i'd bet emacs will still be around. (twtr.io/q4JFzYSxd8)
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@rubenlightfoot
@LongHandPixels @aral not sure mass-accessibility has yet been achieved by #indieweb and that's the real problem. (twtr.io/q4LHSFZqSB)
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@LongHandPixels
@rubenlightfoot be sure to check out http://indiewebcamp.com/ and if you use IRC: #indiewebcamp lots of smart people talking about this stuff. (twtr.io/q4NrE1nEh8)
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Loqi
[mention] https://github.com/sebsauvage/Shaarli/pull/201 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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barnabywalters
wow, the start of a korean translation! awesome!
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning
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waterpigs.co.uk
created /Livejournal (+24) "Redirected page to [[LiveJournal]]" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme
very cool. korean translation, very cool
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@aral
@LongHandPixels I can’t speak for #indieweb as ind.ie is not affiliated, however http:///manifesto/ is all about UX. +@rubenlightfoot (twtr.io/q4ShSs7U_8)
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@LongHandPixels
@aral @rubenlightfoot no one can speak for #indieweb, that’s the point :). But yes, without good UX nothing indie has a chance against silos (twtr.io/q4Thd4TyWS)
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@fdevillamil
@fredwilson True. Keeping your personal #indieweb space of expression is one of the most important thing to remember on the Web. (twtr.io/q4UQFc0jsH)
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snarfed
is anyone using microformats to represent a push notification yet?
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Loqi
snarfed: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 31 minutes ago: one more (hopefully minor this time) Bridgy Publish to FB request. Could I have it say "Originally published at: PostPermalinkURL" instead of "(PostPermalinkURL)" at end of FB POSSE copy? Trying for more human-friendly (paren syntax was intended for Twitter where chars are tight).
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snarfed
i'm currently generating facebook notifications via this api: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/games/notifications/#impl
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snarfed
(code here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/tree/master/facebook.py#L171 )
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snarfed
and i'm wondering if there's any existing mf2 i could translate to that
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snarfed
tantek_: sure! will do
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Loqi
[mention] http://werd.io/2014/reflecting-on-fredwilsons-swing-back-to-personal-sites-which-is linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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aaronpk
goooood morning lots of catching up here
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barnabywalters
snarfed: h-feed would be the place to start — some of us use h-feeds for our mentions, which is close to a notification list e.g. http://aaronparecki.com/mentions
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aaronpk
snarfed: closest thing I've done is described how this app would work http://indiewebcamp.com/mention-app
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snarfed
thanks guys
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gRegor`
KartikPrabhu: Still on for tonight?
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neuro`
Good morning.
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@calum_ryan
@onishiweb good spot. I can't be @dconstruct this year :( but hope it's good. Will be in Brighton for @IndieWebCampUK the following day (twtr.io/q4cTfNY86Q)
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning, all.. seems rather quiet thus far
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@onishiweb
@calum_ryan @dconstruct I have high hopes, and expect they’ll be blown away too :) Enjoy @IndieWebCampUK (twtr.io/q4ceZVwE0Z)
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/move]] move * Tantek.com * moved [[ko]] to [[Main Page-ko]]: please see [[how-to-start-new-translation]]. And thanks for starting this!
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/move]] move * Tantek.com * moved [[ko/Getting Started]] to [[Getting Started-ko]]: please see [[how-to-start-new-translation]]. And thanks for starting this!
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@merlinrebrovic
Very interesting talk about escaping web silos "Tantek Çelik - The once and future IndieWeb" https://www.youtube.com/ (twtr.io/q4csGYsFhw)
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gRegor`
Morning, neuro`, ben_thatmustbeme
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gRegor`
and the rest of indiewebcamp that's awake
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tantek.com
edited /Main_Page (+61) "/* Translations */ +Korean!" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /other-languages (+62) "/* translations ordered by number of articles */ +Korean!" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /Bitlbee (+94) "stub, dfn, lists" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /Bitlbee (+22) "link to home page" (view diff)
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/move]] move * Tantek.com * moved [[Bitlbee]] to [[BitlBee]]: canonical capitalization
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tantek.com
created /bitlbee (+21) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /the_Cask_of_Amontillado (+325) "dfn, linky linky, hotlink wikipedia image" (view diff)
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/move]] move * Tantek.com * moved [[the Cask of Amontillado]] to [[The Cask of Amontillado]]: capitalize The
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@ShaneHudson
@onishiweb Are you staying for @IndieWebCampUK too Adam? I am :) Should be good! cc @calum_ryan (twtr.io/q4dzoCwukL)
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gRegor`
what is the Cask of Amontillado?
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Loqi
The Cask of Amontillado is an 1846 short story written by Edgar Allan Poe http://indiewebcamp.com/The_Cask_of_Amontillado
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gRegor`
Hah
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gRegor`
what is Bitlbee
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Loqi
BitlBee is a communication gateway from IRC to other chat http://indiewebcamp.com/BitlBee
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gRegor`
I had not dug far enough into Bitlbee to realize it did Twitter API. Might have to try that out.
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gRegor`
Bitlbee => indieweb post could be cool.
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gRegor`
Post notes directly from IRC.
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bret
gRegor` bitlbee to micropub
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bret
ha
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gRegor`
Yep
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bret
i should do that
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Loqi
I agree
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gregorlove.com
edited /BitlBee (+117) "Bitlbee to micropub idea" (view diff)
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gRegor`
wikified
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aaronpk
whoa someone made a korean version of the home page? http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-ko
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gRegor`
Yep. And /Getting_Started
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aaronpk
wow, awesome
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@onishiweb
@ShaneHudson @IndieWebCampUK @calum_ryan no plans to at the moment, not really my scene, probably stay and catch up with friends :) (twtr.io/q4f5a1rx9L)
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bret.io
edited /BitlBee (+106) "/* Ideas */ Webmention notifications" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /The_Cask_of_Amontillado (+94) "expand dfn to include context of why it is documented here on IWC" (view diff)
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bret
that was the most screwed up poe story
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tantek.com
created /the_cask_of_amontillado (+37) "r lowercase" (view diff)
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bret
haha
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aaronpk
just noticed that all the links on the ko page are ko/* vs the fr pages which are *-fr
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Loqi
awesome
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tantek
what is the cask of amontillado?
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Loqi
The Cask of Amontillado is an 1846 short story written by Edgar Allan Poe in which a character is chained to a wall and walled up, analogous to many silo practices http://indiewebcamp.com/The_Cask_of_Amontillado
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tantek
aaronpk will fix
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aaronpk
I think the what is search is not case sensitive
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tantek
WHAT IS THE CASK OF AMONTILLADO?
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Loqi
The Cask of Amontillado is an 1846 short story written by Edgar Allan Poe in which a character is chained to a wall and walled up, analogous to many silo practices http://indiewebcamp.com/The_Cask_of_Amontillado
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aaronpk
hahahaha
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tantek
nice
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tantek.com
edited /Main_Page-ko (+0) "use *-ko instead of ko/* per [[how-to-start-new-translation#Page_naming_convention]]" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /Getting_Started-ko (+0) "use *-ko instead of ko/* per [[how-to-start-new-translation#Page_naming_convention]]" (view diff)
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aaronpk
I do like having the /ko URL as the main page for that language
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aaronpk
nicer URL to share
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aaronparecki.com
created /fr (+25) "add /fr redirect to french main page" (view diff)
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tantek
aaronpk, agreed
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bret
aaronpk whats a good time to get to esri?
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aaronpk
bret: 6ish?
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bret
k
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@kevinmarks
“the personal blog, yourname•com, where you control everything and get to do whatever the hell pleases you” http://avc.com/2014/08/the-personal-blog/ #indieweb (twtr.io/q4h3APHYWw)
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aaronpk
KevinMarks_: nice
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aaronpk
my favorite quote
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aaronpk
"I wanted to reply to that comment, but could not for the life of me, log into WordPress to leave it. So I’ll blog about it instead."
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tantek
THIS: "I wanted to reply to that comment, but could not for the life of me, log into WordPress to leave it. So I’ll blog about it instead."
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tantek
haha yeah aaronpk
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aaronpk
so good
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aaronpk
need a good blockquote style for p3k
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tantek
!tell snarfed can you reach out to Elizabeth http://elizabethspiers.com/2014/08/25/here-i-go-again-on-my-own/ and get her setup with IndieWeb WordPress plugins so we can bring her up to speed on what blogs are like in 2014?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
aaronpk - see Tumblr's "quote" post type for good blockquote styling examples
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aaronpk
yes!
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aaronpk
this is why I have a tumblr account, for testing stuff like this
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aaronpk
http://miniblog.aaron.pk/post/95923053596/i-wanted-to-reply-to-that-comment-but-could-not
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@kevinmarks
“I miss being able to engage other people online in discussions that are actually productive.” @espiers http://elizabethspiers.com/2014/08/25/here-i-go-again-on-my-own/ #indieweb (twtr.io/q4hWfpM1iU)
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gRegor`
!tell snarfed Getting 401 Unauthorized on bridgy publish: https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1409159114&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyUAsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiKWh0dHA6Ly9ncmVnb3Jsb3ZlLmNvbS9ub3Rlcy8yMDE0LzA4LzI3LzQvDAsSB1B1Ymxpc2gYgICAgICumQoM
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
it would be great if indienews also presented quotes like kevin posts better
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aaronpk
http://news.indiewebcamp.com/post/aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/08/27/1/
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aaronpk
I really like KevinMarks_'s plaintext format for quotes. I wonder if that could be parsed out automatically and styled better on my ow nsite
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tantek
aaronpk, you could add it as a microformats.org/wiki/picoformat
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aaronpk
yes that's the word I was looking for
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aaronpk
http://microformats.org/wiki/picoformats
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tantek
aaronpk I tumblr reblogged your quote post just to see what that would look like
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aaronpk
interesting
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aaronpk
http://tantek.tumblr.com/post/95923505660/i-wanted-to-reply-to-that-comment-but-could-not
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tantek
I don't like the way it shows up - it doesn't credit you as a /repost should IMO
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tantek
via is insufficient
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aaronpk
and it looks different still in my tumblr dashboard http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/tumblr-20140827-101259.png
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aaronpk
agreed, "via" makes it look hand-typed
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tantek
yeah - follow my Tumblr and see how it looks even worse when I reblog it
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aaronpk
and often "via" posts have original content by the poster, not strictly a repost
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tantek
in your dashboard view of my reblog of your quote post
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aaronpk
http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/tumblr-reblog-20140827-101414.png
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tantek
right - it makes it look like I'm saying it which I'm not
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tantek
doubly indirectly so even
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tantek
ok since you've made both those screenshots, that's worthy of adding to http://indiewebcamp.com/Tumblr#Criticisms
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aaronpk
needs to get to work on his repost post types
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aaronpk
I have a pretty good idea of how I want to show things now, and I have a feeling it will stir up a lot of discussion
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tantek
Poor Repost Presentation
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tantek
and Poor Quote Post Presentation
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KevinMarks
Twitter had that problem too
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tantek
Tumblr gets so many other UX things right that it's worth documenting when they screw up UX/Presentation
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tantek
KevinMarks: Twitter retweets are much less problematic
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tantek
native retweets that is - that preserve the original poster's icon
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KevinMarks
I should make a tool for doing this that generates an image too
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aaronpk
an image?
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tantek.com
created /respot (+20) "typo" (view diff)
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Loqi
yea
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gRegor`
aaronpk: Does your setup allow you to post quotes like that in a <blockquote>?
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aaronpk
not yet
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aaronpk
Now i'm considering a picoformat match for quotes and doing that automatically
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aaronpk
kind of like the autolinker for plaintext notes
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tantek.com
edited /Tumblr (+422) "/* Criticisms */ bad presentation in Tumblr, who knew? quote posts are hard, reposts are hard" (view diff)
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gRegor`
Nice
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gRegor`
The tumblr cross-post is a "quote" format, thought, right? Or is that just a text note?
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aaronpk
I posted a "quote" post on tumblr
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Aaronparecki.com * uploaded "[[File:tumblr-quote-post-aaronpk.png]]"
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gRegor`
Makes sense.
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Aaronparecki.com * uploaded "[[File:tumblr-quote-reblog.png]]"
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tantek.com
edited /Tumblr (+3) "move Downtime inside criticisms, move TOC out of the way of images" (view diff)
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tantek
awesome aaronpk. http://indiewebcamp.com/Tumblr#Poor_Quote_Post_Presentation is all yours. edit token reliquished. :)
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gRegor`
An auto-quoter that extracts the author name from the cited URL's author would be cool.
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aaronparecki.com
edited /Tumblr (-53) "use local images" (view diff)
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aaronpk
:)
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tantek
gRegor`: and automatically links the <blockquote cite> to the fragmention of the quote
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aaronpk
gRegor`: yeah totally. was thinking about doing that for page title as well for my bookmarks
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gRegor`
s/author/h-card/
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Loqi
gRegor` meant to say: An auto-quoter that extracts the h-card name from the cited URL's h-card would be cool.
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aaronpk
tho now i'm reconsidering what exactly a bookmark means on my site, since a lot of them would look like blockquote posts
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gRegor`
Ooh, yeah tantek.
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tantek
ah I'd called it /quotation when I documented this before
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aaronpk
example post: http://aaron.pk/bookmarks/?bookmark=protocols-dont-mean-much
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tantek.com
edited /quotation (+88) "/* How to markup */ ideally using a fragmention" (view diff)
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snarfed
gRegor`: looks like the 401 is because you're replying to someone whose account is protected, which bridgy can't do (unless that person signs up for bridgy too)
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Loqi
snarfed: tantek left you a message 22 minutes ago: can you reach out to Elizabeth http://elizabethspiers.com/2014/08/25/here-i-go-again-on-my-own/ and get her setup with IndieWeb WordPress plugins so we can bring her up to speed on what blogs are like in 2014?
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aaronpk
oh hey that page links to a bunch of my bookmark posts already
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tantek
aaronpk - already http://indiewebcamp.com/quotation#IndieWeb_Examples :)
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Loqi
snarfed: gRegor` left you a message 18 minutes ago: Getting 401 Unauthorized on bridgy publish: https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1409159114&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyUAsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiKWh0dHA6Ly9ncmVnb3Jsb3ZlLmNvbS9ub3Rlcy8yMDE0LzA4LzI3LzQvDAsSB1B1Ymxpc2gYgICAgICumQoM
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snarfed
gRegor`: the error message could be better though. mind filing an issue? https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues
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snarfed
tantek: sure! i'd just make happy noises and link her to /WordPress#Adding_Indieweb_Support.2FElements_to_a_Wordpress_Site, but i'm happy to do that
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tantek
snarfed - that would be GREAT
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eliemichel
aaronpk: I see that you use a wordpress blog to store your bookmarks. Do you know about Shaarli?
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tantek
regardless of the outcome, we will learn from the engagement
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aaronpk
eliemichel: yes I think I tried out shaarli at one point!
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tantek
waits to see /bookmark posts get higher up on aaronpk's Itches list ;)
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eliemichel
I added a pull request for Shaarli to send webmention 3h ago ;)
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tantek.com
created /quote (+23) "r" (view diff)
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aaronpk
eliemichel: NICE!
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aaronpk
eliemichel++
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Loqi
eliemichel has 2 karma
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tantek
eliemichel awesome!
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tantek
what is Shaarli?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Shaarli" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Shaarli
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@gasull
WordPress ported to Sandstorm.io https://blog.sandstorm.io/news/2014-08-18-wordpress.html https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sandstorm-io-personal-cloud-platform https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sandstorm-io-personal-cloud-platform/x/5184124 #indieweb (twtr.io/q4jbLU0tkb)
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eliemichel
tantek: it's little web-program you can install to store & share your bookmarks
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eliemichel
http://sebsauvage.net/wiki/doku.php?id=php:shaarli
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tantek.com
edited /Tumblr (+29) "/* Mapping of Tumblr post types to ActivityStreams */ linky linky" (view diff)
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aaronpk
heh my bookmarks issue already has a comment about making sure quotations are handled referencing that page https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/19#issuecomment-46062652
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aaronpk
clearly I have gone down this train of thought before
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tantek
eliemichel: great! could you create /Sharli accordingly by clicking that link that Loqi posted above?
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Loqi
grins profusely
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eliemichel
the last one?
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aaronpk
the "it looks like..." line
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tantek.com
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tantek
eliemichel: yes that one
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tantek.com
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bret
listening to http://web.archive.org/web/20130729205352id_/http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail1155.html
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eliemichel
tantek: what exactly do you intend me to do actually?
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eliemichel
sry…
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tantek
eliemichel: click the link to create the page and then copy paste the description of Shaarli that you typed here in IRC - that's fine to start a stub with
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tantek
see http://indiewebcamp.com/start_a_page for more on how to start a page
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eliemichel
okey =)
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tantek
aaronpk see also http://indiewebcamp.com/microsyntax
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tantek.com
edited /microsyntax (+12) "/* See Also */ posse" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /POSSE (+58) "/* Related */ microsyntax" (view diff)
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gRegor`
snarfed: Done. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/268
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snarfed
gRegor`++
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snarfed
gRegornobacktick++
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Loqi
gRegornobacktick has 12 karma
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gRegor`
Hehe
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Loqi
[mention] https://snarfed.org/2014-08-27_here-i-go-again-on-my-own-elizabeth-spiers linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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tantek.com
edited /microsyntax (+89) "subheads on brainstorming" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk
tantek: lol I was just adding those subheads
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gRegor`
snarfed: Is that a privacy concern issue, or does the Twitter API not allow retrieving the tweet ID since it's private?
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aaronpk
yours are better tho
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snarfed
gRegor`: i believe the latter
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gRegor`
I guess it's the latter. That would make sense.
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snarfed
gRegor`: i don't even try to retrieve it, just create a reply to it, but still
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gRegor`
Otheriwse you could harass private accounts
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gRegor`
given their tweet URLs
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exppad.com
created /Shaarli (+486) "Add Shaarli page" (view diff)
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snarfed
gRegor`: eh you can harass private accounts anyway, just @ mention them
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snarfed
but yeah
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aaronparecki.com
edited /microsyntax (+1088) "/* Brainstorming */ add quotations section with examples and list of plaintext components of a quotation" (view diff)
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gRegor`
True. "blocked" and "private" got crossed in my mind.
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gRegor`
coffee++
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Loqi
coffee has 20 karma
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tantek.com
edited /note (+252) "/* Picoformats */ microsyntax for local thoughts" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com
edited /projects (-159) "/* Shaarli */ Removed my 'interest' note; not likely to happen anytime soon. :) Linked to new wiki page." (view diff)
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gRegor`
Shaarli is also at http://indiewebcamp.com/projects#Shaarli Feel free to merge this into the new page as necessary
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tantek.com
edited /exercise (+131) "POSSE" (view diff)
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eliemichel
gRegor`: thx
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tantek
oh this is interesting it looks like http://elizabethspiers.com/ is on Tumblr
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gRegor`
And also can list yourself there if you're running Shaarli, eliemichel :)
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aaronpk
tantek: looks like wordpress to me, I have the wordpress header there when I click it
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tantek
no I am mistaken. I was confused by a very Tumblr looking (+) Follow button in the lower right corner
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gregorlove.com
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KartikPrabhu
gRegor`: yup!
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tantek
hahahaha http://avc.com/2014/08/the-personal-blog/#disqus_thread "So why aren't they on Disqus? If they want a community to flourish, Disqus is a better lubricator than Wordpress comments. " ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?
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gRegor`
what is folksonomy?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "folksonomy" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=folksonomy
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aaronpk
just noticed the old delicious is still up at http://icio.us/ even though it says it will be shutdown(sic) by April 2014
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gRegor`
Ha!
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gRegor`
Wait, which old delicious? old-old delicious? or old-old-old**short circuits**
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tantek
better: "what's the difference between Facebook which has a business of using your data to drive ads and Disqus which is in the exact business?"
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tantek
http://avc.com/2014/08/the-personal-blog/#comment-1561544970
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snarfed
(tantek: aaronpk: she's actually on wp.com, which is why i only linked her to bridgy, not plugins or anything else)
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gRegor`
betterer: "When I send my URL (www.arnoldwaldstein.com) to new clients and and say--this is me--it feels just great each and every time." http://avc.com/2014/08/the-personal-blog/#comment-1561441162
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tantek
I'm waiting for KevinMarks to take these quotes we're finding and tweet them as nicely as he does
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exppad.com
edited /projects (+124) "/* Diaspora */" (view diff)
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bret
What is WebDAV?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "WebDAV" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=WebDAV
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ben_thatmustbeme
what is shaarli
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Loqi
Shaarli is a simple web program you can install to store and share your bookmarks http://indiewebcamp.com/Shaarli
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aaronparecki.com
edited /p3k (+12) "/* Backwards-Compatible Support */ linky" (view diff)
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exppad.com
edited /Shaarli (+422) (view diff)
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bret
does anyone here use / have used webDAV for anything?
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aaronpk
bret: yes, see http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k##WebDAV
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bret
which apps that you use have webdav?
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aaronpk
Skitch
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aaronpk
(old version)
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bret
heh cool
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aaronpk
and Finder
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aaronpk
but I don't use it from Finder often
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exppad.com
edited /projects (+65) "/* Shaarli */" (view diff)
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tantek
snarfed - is there a missing reply context on https://snarfed.org/2014-08-27_here-i-go-again-on-my-own-elizabeth-spiers ?
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KevinMarks
http://www.savepublishing.com is good too
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aaronpk
tantek: his site doesn't show the in-reply-to URL or reply context because of a wordpress issue
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tantek
the "welcome back!" at the start seems out of context - to whom?
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tantek
aaronpk, is there a plugin for that?
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tantek
;)
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tantek
oops
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KevinMarks
Switch site-deathed my images :(
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tantek
!tell snarfed snarfed - is there a missing reply context on https://snarfed.org/2014-08-27_here-i-go-again-on-my-own-elizabeth-spiers ? the "welcome back!" at the start seems out of context - to whom?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
what is Switch?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Switch" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Switch
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aaronpk
i think that's the problem... plugins can't add things to the theme or something
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snarfed
tantek: we've had this conversation two or three times before :P
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Loqi
snarfed: tantek left you a message 18 seconds ago: snarfed - is there a missing reply context on https://snarfed.org/2014-08-27_here-i-go-again-on-my-own-elizabeth-spiers ? the "welcome back!" at the start seems out of context - to whom?
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KevinMarks
s/Switch/Skitch/
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Loqi
KevinMarks meant to say: Skitch site-deathed my images :(
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aaronpk
snarfed: can you document on /Wordpress so we don't keep asking?
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aaronpk
:)
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tantek
what is Skitch?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Skitch" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Skitch
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snarfed
aaronpk: it's more an issue with my site than wordpress
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aaronpk
hm
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tantek
looks for http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Snarfed.org#FAQ ;)
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snarfed
or maybe with me personally :P proper reply contexts just aren't a big itch for me
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snarfed
hah. tantek, if i documented that kind of thing anywhere, it'd be on my site, not on the wiki :P
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tantek
looks for https://snarfed.org/faq
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snarfed
it's a good nudge! worth writing up
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snarfed
this is definitely a big reason my replies aren't easy for visitors to stumble across: they're not particularly good
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tantek
snarfed, how did you do this? http://elizabethspiers.com/2014/08/25/here-i-go-again-on-my-own/#comment-5350
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snarfed
er, make that, why i intentionally don't make them easy to stumble across
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snarfed
tantek: how did i do what?
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tantek
without her changing her blog to support webmentions + microformats?
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snarfed
manual
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tantek
oh man, I thought maybe you had added a Bridgy Publish Reply to Wordpress blog feature
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tantek
just as you have a Bridgy Publish Reply to Facebook post feature
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snarfed
good feature request!
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snarfed
assuming the api lets you do that without the site owner approving the app. not sure.
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exppad.com
created /User:Exppad.com (+410) "Created page with "When I discoverd the word of blogging, you though it would be nice to have it a little more "social". For example, being aware of who quote us, or being able to react to other pe..."" (view diff)
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tantek
snarfed - curious why your manual comment on her post didn't link to the permalink of your reply on snarfed.org
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snarfed
tantek: partly because i usually omit them when they don't have anything extra, and partly because i'm lazy :P
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tantek
seemed like a teachable moment, that's all
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tantek
whoa the post she links to has a screenshot of IE5/Mac! http://lockhartsteele.com/blog/2014/08/back-to-the-blog/
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snarfed
sure, understood
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KevinMarks
In the context of avc, disqus is a good community because Fred tummels it
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KevinMarks
Also, he's an investor in it so they may be sucking up
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tantek
ah there's the missing context.
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tantek
is reading /irc/2014-07-15 in an attempt to better understand the lunatics. ;)
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tantek
GWG, you mentioned "thumbnail/featured image idea in WordPress" - could you link to a more detailed description of this "idea"?
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tantek_1
ok so I'm guessing it takes a while for nicknames to timeout, hence why there is a tantek_ and tantek_com in the channel already, from my previous use of the ?beta IRC UI
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snarfed
tantek: tantek_1: aaronpk: ask and ye shall receive! https://snarfed.org/why-i-dont-have-reply-contexts
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tantek_1
!tell KartikPrabhu re: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-07-15/line/1405446385000 "sometimes feels we are trying to fit square pegs in round holes..." which is why we document real world examples/URLs of square pegs *before* making the mistake of designing round holes for them.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek_1
snarfed - it's fine to not use post types at all. And a funny admission for an ActivityStreams advocate. ;)
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tantek_1
re: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-07-15/line/1405446472000
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snarfed
tantek_1: heh, sure. i don't actually feel that strongly about activitystreams, it's just the only hammer i had at the time
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tantek_1
reuse++
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Loqi
reuse has 1 karma
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tantek_1
reinvention--
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Loqi
reinvention has -1 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek_1, when i was trying on mobile as soon as i lost signal it had booted the user
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ben_thatmustbeme
i think you can only use nickserv to kick dead connections of registered users
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tantek_1
really appreciate mko arguing / pointing out the UX perspective over and over in the /irc/2014-07-15 discussion
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tantek_1
thanks gRegor` for kicking off and encouraging http://indiewebcamp.com/photo#Discussion
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tantek_1
welcome back KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu
hi :P
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@johakuhn
Love that the #IndieWeb-Debate (from which I heard the first time yesterday) is getting ahead. http://avc.com/2014/08/the-personal-blog/ (twtr.io/q4rmif3tXj)
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: tantek_1 left you a message 6 minutes ago: re: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-07-15/line/1405446385000 "sometimes feels we are trying to fit square pegs in round holes..." which is why we document real world examples/URLs of square pegs *before* making the mistake of designing round holes for them.
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aaronpk
tantek: the web clients should leave IRC when the window is closed or the websockets connection is lost.
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tantek_1
aaronpk, in that case it seems that Firefox is holding on tight ;)
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tantek_1
across sleeping/waking etc.
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aaronpk
interesting
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bret
aaronpk are you running an irc client for the web client basically?
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aaronpk
basically yeah. it's in node
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bret
heh neato!
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aaronpk
https://github.com/aaronpk/indiewebcamp-irc-logs/blob/master/streaming/irc-client.js
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bret
something I can read! :)
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tantek_1
heh: https://kylewm.com/share/2014/07/15/1
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tantek_1
I like this too https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/489276808458547200 and fits the "build and use your own site" vibe of IndieWeb.
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@gRegorLove
@anomalily @veganstraightedge My latest favorite alternative is "build your own light saber." (twtr.io/oZ1f2dqJf0)
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tantek_1
yet wondering if analogy to "Jedi" may be perceived to be too elitist.
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ben_thatmustbeme
i think it very much would be
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tantek_1
plus those robes never seemed very functional
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ben_thatmustbeme
agreed
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benwerd
does, however, want to build his own lightsaber.
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Loqi
benwerd: KevinMarks_ left you a message on 8/22 at 4:41pm: the POSSEd HWC has today's date
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Loqi
benwerd: barnabywalters left you a message 2 days, 8 hours ago: noticed duplicates of http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/kevin-marks-posted-i-frequently-retweet-old-style-to-add in shrewdness, same content is served from both that URL and http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/i-frequently-retweet-old-style-to-add-extra-info-usually — what happened here? content edit? URL structure edit? the one starting “kevin-marks-posted-” appears to be the canonical one (linked from
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tantek_1
lol
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Loqi
benwerd: aaronpk left you a message on 8/25 at 1:05pm: is there an open issue on Known to support Micropub? If not, I will gladly create one!
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benwerd
waits ..
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tantek_1
benwerd, I fixed the HWC POSSE copy issue.
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ben_thatmustbeme
if they could build lightsabers why didn't they just build a bunch of them together and build a lightshield too?
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benwerd
tantek_1: I saw that; thanks!
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tantek_1
different power requirements? besides, the Gungans already built lightshields.
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benwerd
nonetheless, a jedi assembly line might have been a shrewd move.
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bret_web
/exit
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benwerd
aaronpk: Known supports micropub via a plugin! *AND* I solved the crazy issue that prevented werd.io from supporting it.
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ben_thatmustbeme
actually probably just the kurosawa influence
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tantek_1
I don't the Jedi wanted to arm everyone with lightsabres - too much likelihood for people cutting off their own body parts.
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benwerd
(aaronpk: combined indieauth + micropub plugin)
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benwerd
tantek_1: agree, was surprisingly unenlightened legislation
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tantek_1
finished reading /irc/2014-07-15
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tantek
hey KevinMarks - can you invite all the Tummlr and other techie types you usually do to tonight's HWC? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/next-hwc
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tantek
!tell gRegor`, KartikPrabhu were you able to reach out to the usual Chicago hopefuls? Mari and I forget the other person's name that has @-replied a bunch on Twitter about Chicago HWC
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor`
I sent the standard invite tweet with links to the event and FB copy. Margot RSVPed on FB and has really wanted to make it before, so hopefully she will.
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Loqi
gRegor`: tantek left you a message 52 seconds ago: were you able to reach out to the usual Chicago hopefuls? Mari and I forget the other person's name that has @-replied a bunch on Twitter about Chicago HWC
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gRegor`
I have not heard back from Denton or Mari this week.
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gRegor`
Invited adactio since he's here for a conference, but he's flying back this evening unfortunately.
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tantek_1
!tell GWG you mentioned "thumbnail/featured image idea in WordPress" - could you link to a more detailed description of this "idea"? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-07-15/line/1405446335000
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
gRegor`: yeah I saw that
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gRegor`
Twitter shows tantek's favorite of this tweet in my notifications, but not on the tweet permalink itself. Interesting. https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/489276808458547200
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@gRegorLove
@anomalily @veganstraightedge My latest favorite alternative is "build your own light saber." (twtr.io/oZ1f2dqJf0)
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gRegor`
Even after hard refresh.
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gRegor`
I feel like similar discrepancy was noted before
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snarfed
gRegor`: twitter fave and rt indicator icons are often flaky :/
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tantek
gRegor`: shall I try unfave and refave?
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tantek
it shows it as favorited to me, but no icon of me
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tantek
in the facepile
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gRegor`
Also interesting, @t profile does not show the link to your favorites. Perhaps because you're not following me back.
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gRegor`
Oh, let me check the facepile.
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gRegor`
@aaronpk shows a link to his favorites, but he's following me
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tantek
gRegor`: try making your window wider ;)
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tantek
(or check the More v menu)
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gRegor`
Not under "More"
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tantek
weird. it is just twitter.com/t/favorites
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gRegor`
Full width on 1080p :)
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gRegor`
Yeah, just noting the oddity of the link missing.
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tantek
weird. well direct URL then.
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tantek
also, when did Twitter favorites (as in your own username/favorites page) display order switch from ordered by date-when-favorited-most-recent-first to date-when-original-tweet-published-most-recent-first ?
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tantek
gRegor`: ok I will unfave and refave, watch this
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tantek
boom, now in the facepile
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gRegor`
tantek: It's been original-tweet-publish order for quite some time. I don't remember it being different, actually.
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tantek
it used to be the other way, based on when you favorite it
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tantek
which is how Flickr favorites works for example
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tantek
it was better, because you could be like what was that thing I just favorited and then go check your favorites and see it - regardless of how old the original post was
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gRegor`
Lulz. Now Lilly's dropped off the facepile and it still lists "2 favorites". When I click 2, though, it pops over and lists all 3.
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tantek
gRegor`: silo scaling problems
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gRegor`
Agreed. I would prefer most recent first list of favorites.
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gRegor`
And maybe an option to sort by original published date.
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tantek
do you have a gregorlove.com/likes page?
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gRegor`
No, I'm not publishing likes yet.
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tantek
is it on your itches?
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tantek
along with that ordering preference?
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gRegor`
Adding it now. Likes are a pretty low priority, though.
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tantek
fair. it's worth documenting even low priority itches just to get them out of your head so you can focus on the higher priority ones :)
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gRegor`
Yep. Building quite a list. :)
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tantek
tell me about it ;) /Falcon#Working_On
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aaronpk
tantek: should we add /page-name to the microsyntax list? ;)
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tantek
or just domain relative /path in general?
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gregorlove.com
edited /User:Gregorlove.com (+229) "/* Interests */ Stars" (view diff)
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tantek
(probably)
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gRegor`
On that same tweet above, when I click the number of favorites, at the bottom it says "-1 users have asked not to be shown in this view."
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gRegor`
"Learn More" links to https://support.twitter.com/groups/51-me/topics/267-security-privacy/articles/20169886-protecting-and-unprotecting-your-tweets
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tantek
that is so weird
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gRegor`
I think that means Twitter owes me a favorite? :)
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gRegor`
Anyway, enough tinkering with this oddity.
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@npdoty
@aaronpk is the Portland branch of Indiewebcamp meeting tonight? I happen to be passing through town. (twtr.io/q4wj9P5UbG)
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@aaronpk
@npdoty Yes! Come on by! 6:30pm http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/08/27/2/indiewebcamp) (twtr.io/q4ws7BbePj)
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Loqi
[mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/08/27/2/indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@attamoves
Interview with Indie Author Today http://www.attamoves.com/blog/indieauthortoday (twtr.io/q4yAvejFvj)
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neuro`
KevinMarks: speaking of avc, he published an interesting post today about personal blogging, http://avc.com/2014/08/the-personal-blog/
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tantek
neuro`: indeed, that post and the ones he linked to have been all the buzz this morning in the channel. see indiewebcamp.com/irc/today :)
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neuro`
tantek: and I'm blogging about it too :)
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neuro`
just finished my post.
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tantek
woot!
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Loqi
:D
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tommorris.org
edited /The_Cask_of_Amontillado (+20) "wikipedia link fix" (view diff)
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tommorris
so, Twitter opened up analytics today. you can now see how many people saw your tweets
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tommorris
https://analytics.twitter.com/
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aaronpk
is it open to the public now? it's been open to "ad partners" for a while
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aaronpk
oh wait no this is different
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aaronpk
holy crap "Number of times users clicked on the Tweet to view more details"
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tommorris
I'm going to see if I can have a sneak peek at the ad partner dashboard and compare tomorrow.
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aaronpk
can't help but notice the giant "export data" button in the corner!
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tantek
lol "A problem occurred while loading the page. To use this site, you need to disable AdBlock or any other ads-blocking extension you are using, or customize it to show ads on this site."
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aaronpk
tantek: I got that too :)
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aaronpk
holy crap you can get all the data as a csv
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tantek
KevinMarks: will ask if it is TSV ;)
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aaronpk
i dunno but it opens fine in excel
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tommorris
no, CSV
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tommorris
and the data goes back to 2013-10
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aaronpk
seems the stats only go back to 2014-08-22
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tommorris
ah, perhaps it's just the last N tweets
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aaronpk
the "impressions" do anyway, I have "engagement" data farther back
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tantek.com
edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+91) "emojicon" (view diff)
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snarfed
interesting. i wonder how much of the twitter analytics thing is just messaging. you could sign up for twitter ads before, with zero budget, and see basically the same data
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snarfed
i did that a long time ago
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aaronpk
snarfed: they didn't show impressions before
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snarfed
aaronpk: aha
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aaronpk
nor the detail of things like "Number of times users clicked on the Tweet to view more details"
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aaronpk
is the other ad dashboard still up somewhere? (you got access to that by signing up for twitter cards)
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tommorris
aaronpk: yeah, impressions for me only goes back to 2014-06-10. but metrics total has 2271 entries for me
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tommorris
just did a quick sum of the impressions column - 208,871. Twitter ought to be paying me a CPM rate.
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tommorris
has the nasty sinking feeling that he will soon be asked to write a parser for the Twitter engagement data CSV
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tantek.com
edited /Events (+83) "emojicon" (view diff)
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
edited /IRC (-12) "shorten the longest heading so that it shrinks to the TOC" (view diff)
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tommorris
watches KevinMarks' Ignite talk and applauds on behalf of his genderqueer and non-binary friends. KevinMarks++
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tommorris
oh, that can't be in a /me
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tommorris
KevinMarks++ then
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Loqi
KevinMarks has 48 karma
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tommorris
If programmers were building databases 50 years ago, they'd be encoding racial segregation. Today, they are unwittingly encoding cisnormativity. (And if you don't know what that is, check your favourite search engine.)
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KevinMarks_
Thanks Tom. We had exactly that with vcard 4
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tantek
KevinMarks_: you mean we *fixed* that in vCard4
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tantek
(and had to fight non-trivially for it)
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tantek.com
edited /IRC (+99) "emojicon, move TOC below logs grid" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_
We did, yes. I meant we had programmers advocating a "simple obvious" sex field
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tantek
!tell aaronpk seems like the months=6 param on showing only 6 months of logs has broken here and it is showing *all* months: http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC#Logs
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
KevinMarks_: unfortunately that won't stop the problem tommorris is pointing out, because programmers love to makeup their own database schemas from scratch over and over and over
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tommorris
tantek: does microformats.org wiki count my hazy recollections as a source for the history of gender representation. because I distinctly remember that there was a protest on MySpace where people would just put "GENDERQUEER" in various fields to fuck with their metadata. alas, the URLs probably do not resolve
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tantek
is looking for an emoji for /principles
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KevinMarks_
👸 🎨 -ess -ette
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tommorris
tantek: I have my own emjoi: â„¢
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tommorris
(And the trade mark symbol is a valid emoji according to the Unicode standard. I checked.)
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KevinMarks_
📜or
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tantek
parchment?
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KevinMarks_
📃
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KevinMarks_
Maybe
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tantek
how about 💞 ?
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tommorris
and on emoj.li, I have registered the username "™👬"
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tantek
tommorris: amaze
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tommorris
Unicode also contains a symbol for aubergine (eggplant): 🍆
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tommorris
I once posted the aubergine symbol into #wikipedia-en and got sternly told off because it is part of a range of Unicode characters that cause certain unpatched versions of Xchat for Windows to crash.
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tommorris
Apparently, Xchat for Windows took the XML approach to error handling: catastrophic failure.
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KevinMarks_
🗽 could be principles
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eliemichel
='( my IRC client can't see any of your emojies
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tommorris
KevinMarks_: you know http://enwp.org/🗽 is a redirect to the Statue of Liberty article, right?
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eliemichel
(except for â„¢)
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tommorris
my emoji is the best.
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tantek
what is 🗽?
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Loqi
http://indiewebcamp.com/%F0%9F%97%BD
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rascul
those weird emoji things look like black question marks inside a white circle to me
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KevinMarks_
🚷 is the emoji for schema
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KevinMarks_
As well as 🌋 📠
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tantek
note 👹?
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tantek
s/note/not
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: not 👹?
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tantek
KevinMarks_: if someone hasn't registered volcano fax on emojli you should go get it just for scheama
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KevinMarks_
💒 is odd, what's that called?
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tantek
wedding chapel (guessing)
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ben_thatmustbeme
this is the weirdest conversation for me since none of those render at all
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tantek
how about 🗿 for long web?
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KevinMarks_
â„¢ is a different code point than â„¢?
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eliemichel
rascul: that means that your client can't show it
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rascul
i agree
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eliemichel
I see all of the emojies like so
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rascul
i wonder if maybe it's a font thing
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tantek
try https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today
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eliemichel
good idea
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eliemichel
well, the result is not so better
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rascul
what are the numbers in the boxes?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "the numbers in the boxes" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=the+numbers+in+the+boxes
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KevinMarks_
Is there an emoji for shed?
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eliemichel
I soo utf codes inside a square…
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rascul
utf? ok thought so
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eliemichel
rascul: this is another way of saying "hey, can't render that symbol"
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rascul
yeah, i didn't know what the numbers inside the boxes were though
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neuro`
tantek, KevinMarks_ which fonts are you using?
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eliemichel
I believe this is utf, but I did not check
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eliemichel
rascul: What language is your system configured to use?
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tommorris
Damn you Twitter. http://enwp.org/🗽 isn't considered a valid link
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rascul
english
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eliemichel
it may be a local problem
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eliemichel
erf
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eliemichel
it may not be
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eliemichel
I wondered since mine is French
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rascul
i'm trying different fonts but none of them show any different for me
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eliemichel
I don't use the same font in my browser and my IRC client
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tommorris
zomg wikipedia emoji redirects is my new favourite thing.
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eliemichel
The only common point is that both of them use gtk
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KevinMarks_
Chrome doesn't show them (except on android)
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eliemichel
but anyway, this is not interesting on that chat
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tantek
tommorris: what do you think inspired all the redirects I added to the iwc wiki?
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tommorris
I wonder if compound emoji redirects will get me into trouble
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tantek
tommorris: http://indiewebcamp.com/💀
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tommorris
so, what you are saying is we need stubs on IWC for all emojis. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.
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tantek
or at least redirects where they make sense
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tantek
note you may find the easy ones already done :)
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KevinMarks_
💒 is wedding officially
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tommorris
📟 already done
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tantek
KevinMarks_: what was that tommorris was saying about normatism?
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tantek
wedding implies church?
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KevinMarks_
🏩 is love hotel
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tantek
tommorris: if you refer to them with a leading / then they'll hyperlink in the logs too
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ben_thatmustbeme
heh... ew
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tantek
e.g. /📟
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tommorris.org
created /📠 (+23) "the fax machine lives" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /principles (+139) "emojicons" (view diff)
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tantek
ok I'm pretty pleased with http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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tommorris
👯 may be against the code of conduct
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tantek
what is http://enwp.org/👯 ?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "http://enwp.org/👯 " yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=http%3A%2F%2Fenwp.org%2F%F0%9F%91%AF+
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tommorris
tantek: 'Cosplay'
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tantek
!tell aaronpk if someone asks what is http://example.com/ a URL then Loqi could retrieve the title of the page instead of looking for /
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tommorris
tantek: if you try and create a Wikipedia page with emoji in, you get this warning - http://cl.ly/image/3r1x3k423f0Y
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@gasull
I'd love to see Cjdns (with Hyperboria configured as default) on @SandstormIO! https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sandstorm-io-personal-cloud-platform/x/5184124 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cjdns #indieweb (twtr.io/q55BXfJ_AB)
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ben_thatmustbeme
yay, i see them now
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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tantek.com
edited /principles (+44) "linky" (view diff)
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tommorris
http://enwp.org/WP:👑
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tantek.com
edited /Getting_Started (+93) "emojicon" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /Getting_Started (+0) "f" (view diff)
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edited /projects (+94) "emojicon, move TOC below under construction" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme
and what should /💩 be?
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tantek
I got it
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tantek.com
created /💩 (+22) "r" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme
hah, nice
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tantek.com
created /ℹ (+29) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /🗽 (+1) "better" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme
#⃣ to fragmention?
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JonathanNeal
responds to the bat signal
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tantek.com
edited /principles (+8) "/* Plurality */ projects emoji" (view diff)
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tantek.com
created /✊ (+27) "r" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_
Wow, the Mac OS ones are ugly compared to the android ones
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tantek.com
created /😋 (+25) "r" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme
i want to sit down some day and just write a story using only emoji
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snarfed
ben_thatmustbeme: we had an (internal) postmortem at google that was entirely in meme
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snarfed
it was pretty epic
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ben_thatmustbeme
haha, nice
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tantek.com
edited /own_your_data (+86) "emojicon" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme
okay, train ride home time
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ben_thatmustbeme
hopefully its not delayed too much
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tantek.com
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created /📐 (+20) "r" (view diff)
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edited /design (+94) "emojicon" (view diff)
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snarfed
can i send Loqi and the emoji edits to #indiechat? :P
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tantek.com
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tantek
tommorris: you figured out the answer for that emoji that wp thinks is cosplay
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tantek.com
created /👭 (+29) "r" (view diff)
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created /👪 (+29) "r" (view diff)
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edited /💑 (+11) "better" (view diff)
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tantek.com
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tantek
what is love?
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Loqi
"baby don't hurt me . . . " ♫ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM http://indiewebcamp.com/love
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tantek.com
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edited /Main_Page-de (-8) "stub with link to only German translated page so far" (view diff)
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ShaneHudson
Wow, Tantek has been busy
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tantek
welcome RichardLitt!
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RichardLitt
Thanks tantek
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eliemichel
tantek: <3 /love ^^
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/503288976665366528/504766407629111296 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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gRegor`
Hello from Chicago HWC
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aaronpk
oh my god you guys... so emoji
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 41 minutes ago: seems like the months=6 param on showing only 6 months of logs has broken here and it is showing *all* months: http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC#Logs
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 14 minutes ago: if someone asks what is http://example.com/ a URL then Loqi could retrieve the title of the page instead of looking for /
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aaronpk
why doesn't this page actually show the page contents? http://indiewebcamp.com/%E2%9C%8A
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aaronpk
oh it's a double redirect issue
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gRegor`
OMG, what does it mean?
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aaronpk
lol
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rascul
it means party time
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gRegor`
!tell snarfed Hmm, getting 401 again and verified the account is public. https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1409182429&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyUAsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiKWh0dHA6Ly9ncmVnb3Jsb3ZlLmNvbS9ub3Rlcy8yMDE0LzA4LzI3LzUvDAsSB1B1Ymxpc2gYgICAgICAgAoM
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/503288976665366528/504775420915359744 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://tools.exppad.com/shaarli/?6qMX7w linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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gRegor`
Margot is here at Chicago HWC for the first time, http://pitchdesignunion.com/
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gRegor`
Helping her get set up with indieauth and sign in to the wiki
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gRegor`
She does mostly graphic design, history in print design, some code (Ruby, PHP)
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gRegor`
And then there's Kartik and me.
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gRegor`
Nobody wants to know more about those two. ;)
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gRegor`
She's heard good things from multiple people about http://macaw.co/
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KartikPrabhu
yes I'm here too
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 48 minutes ago: were you able to reach out to the usual Chicago hopefuls? Mari and I forget the other person's name that has @-replied a bunch on Twitter about Chicago HWC
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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KartikPrabhu
like me :)
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aaronpk
so how long until I take off the "beta" sticker from the irc web chat? :)
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aaronpk
maybe after I get indieauth sign-in to work with it?
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gRegor`
Welcome, pitchdesignunion!
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pitchdesignunion
what is web mention
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "web mention" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=web+mention
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pitchdesignunion
what is webmention
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Loqi
Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
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aaronparecki.com
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rascul
ooo cambridge getting closer
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: heading up to homebrew website club now at Mozilla (twtr.io/q5PqF9VXj0)
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tantek
greetings from @MozSF!
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aaronpk
hello from @esripdx!
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tantek
so far it's just me and lucasgonze here @MozSF
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tantek
though KevinMarks is on his way
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kylewm
howdy from @DENAirport
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Loqi
kylewm: tantek left you a message on 8/27 at 12:15am: one more (hopefully minor this time) Bridgy Publish to FB request. Could I have it say "Originally published at: PostPermalinkURL" instead of "(PostPermalinkURL)" at end of FB POSSE copy? Trying for more human-friendly (paren syntax was intended for Twitter where chars are tight).
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bret
hi from SF
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aaronpk
bret lol
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bret
i mean...
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bret
pdx
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bret
hi SF
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bret
chatting about https://github.com/cast-blu/Ephemeral-Boilerplate/ Edwards boiloerplate project
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aaronpk
5 at pdx today!
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castersblues.com
edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+40) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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aaronpk
starting intros
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aaronpk
wehave a few new people here
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aaronpk
bret.io - static site hosted on github pages
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benwerd
(SF is mostly looking at Twitter Analytics and noting how little links actually get clicked)
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aaronpk
working on getting micropub working for his static site so other apps can post to his site
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aaronpk
http://ugitpub.herokuapp.com/
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aaronpk
this past week got continuous integration tests working
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aaronpk
and code coverage tests
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aaronpk
next step is getting post templates working for the micropub client
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lucasgonze
https://gist.github.com/lucasgonze/c5d935823ef17f5ffa3f
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bret
the weblogs update live!
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bret
:D
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bret
😻
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aaronpk_web
hi from the web page!
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tantek
we are all exploring the newly launched https://analytics.twitter.com
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bret
real time irc
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tantek
KevinMarks: is trying to get his latest noterlive working on Heroku, some node nightmare.
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aaronpk
tom: mathpunk.net
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aaronpk
next things: get side comments working on his site (paragraph level comments)
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp I am using http://t.co/aR90v2Qhkd, but thanks to a heroku deployment nightmare I have to use http://peaceful-headland-3727.herokuapp.com/ help! (twtr.io/q5UnfWqBqQ)
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tantek
hi npdoty
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npdoty
hello from pdx
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tantek
SF: tantek and tantek.com
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I'm tantek, my site is http://tantek.com (twtr.io/q5UrNyVqiC)
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npdoty
(I think we're talking about this: https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia )
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tantek
SF: Lucas Gonze and gonze.com
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aaronpk
bret is demoing kartik's site
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tantek
SF: Michael Verdi, works at Mozilla, I blog sometimes at michaelverdi.com
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @lucas_gonze: I'm Lucas and my site is http://gonze.com/rel-me/ (twtr.io/q5Uv6n3z_Q)
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tantek
… and blog.mozilla.org/verdi
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tantek
SF: Liza Sperling, here with KevinMarks, her first time, lizasperling.com a blogger site and is a noob, here to learn
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @michaelverdi: I'm at http://michaelverdi.com and I blog sometimes at http://michaelverdi.com (twtr.io/q5V3DXC7Pj)
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tantek
SF: Ben, werd.io
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @lizasperling: I'm new here and I'm at http://www.lizasperling.com/ and here to learn (twtr.io/q5V5L5vyMs)
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tantek
… work at a place called Known, and indieweb startup
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tantek
.. (co-founded)
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tantek
… the first indieweb startup
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expandrew
discussing / demonstrating http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention
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aaronpk
tom: use case is publishing early drafts of his book and letting people comment on paragraphs
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: my site is werd.io, and I work at Known - http://withknown.com - the first indieweb startup (twtr.io/q5V9cZeWCH)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: if you go to http:///irc/2014-08-27 you get the new IRC with the ability to post (twtr.io/q5VEDVWbsG)
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aaronpk
npdoty: npdoty.name
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aaronpk
passing through portland from seattle!
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verdi1
hellooooo
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aaronpk
has been writing academic papers, wants them to be on the web rather than sending PDFs around
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webbenwerd
aaronpk: I now believe there are at least four of you
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: basically a bunch of us trolled @aaronpk into writing a web-based irc client that is better then any actual client (twtr.io/q5VKJCajRb)
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aaronpk
wants a workflow to be able to write on the web, then export PDFs for the people who still require that
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @lucas_gonze: usually web irc clients are horrible, but http:///irc/2014-08-27 is really light and clean (twtr.io/q5VQ28Pp2w)
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aaronpk
now working on graphics
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: if you add your nickname, your url and your avatar image to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people your face will show in the irc logs (twtr.io/q5VVCnoLG0)
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@benwerd
Geeking out over @aaronpk's amazing websockets-based web IRC client for #indiewebcamp. Join the chat! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27?beta (twtr.io/q5VW6NU7U0)
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Loqi
[mention] http://werd.io/2014/geeking-out-over-aaronpks-amazing-websockets-based-web-irc-client-for linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27?beta (webmention)
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aaronpk
example of SVG image generated http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/npdoty-svg-demo-20140827-184622.png
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@lizasperling
RT @benwerd: Geeking out over @aaronpk's amazing websockets-based web IRC client for #indiewebcamp. Join the chat! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27?beta (twtr.io/q5VZUxCmDL)
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tantek.com
edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+20) "no Minneapolis meetup this week!" (view diff)
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aaronpk
(and yes these papers are actually on his personal website!)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I'm at http://www.kevinmarks.com/ but also now at http://known.kevinmarks.com running @benwerd's software (twtr.io/q5VaHAHY15)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/benwerd/504807194076794880/14447132 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27 (webmention)
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@kevinmarks
RT @benwerd: Geeking out over @aaronpk's amazing websockets-based web IRC client for #indiewebcamp. Join the chat! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27?beta (twtr.io/q5Vcc5NLDs)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/benwerd/504807194076794880/504807351602278400 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27 (webmention)
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tantek
SF: Lucas made a URL shortener for himself on his own site
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tantek
… https://gist.github.com/lucasgonze/c5d935823ef17f5ffa3f
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benwerd
argh
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aaronpk
npdoty: interested in privacy implications and pseudonym usage in the indieweb
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benwerd
aaronpk: feature request - links opening in a new window ;)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @lucas_gonze: I finally made aa url shortener for myself, and here's a gist for how https://gist.github.com/lucasgonze/c5d935823ef17f5ffa3f (twtr.io/q5VmyyhXtb)
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aaronpk
benwerd: lol yeah snarfed already sent a PR foer that :)
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tantek
… Lucas wrote the entire thing during Writing Hour, sitting here!
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benwerd
:)
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tantek
… Lucas: uses a .htaccess file for the "storage" of the "IDs" and the destination URLs
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tantek
… that htaccess file lives on its own subdomain s.gonze.com so it can use a dedicated htaccess
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aaronpk
...separating the reading from the writing so that if you follow all the same people from two pseudonyms you don't need to duplicate data
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tantek
… make a dedicate domain that supports htaccess
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tantek
… ssh in there
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tantek
… go to random.org that generates good random numbers
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tantek
… use the page to generate random strings integers, upper/lower letters, create 10k
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tantek
… save them to a txt file
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aaronpk
andrew: expandrew.com
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tantek
… create an htaccess file using an awk script
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tantek
… to convert each random number to a Rewrite rule
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aaronpk
... in a web development course on epicodus learning ruby on rails, 8 weeks into it
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tantek
… used 10k random strings to avoid sequential crawling
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aaronpk
... first experience doing anything on the web, studied architecture at UO and now back in PDX
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @lucas_gonze: a wholly static URL shortener that just uses prexisting random strings https://gist.github.com/lucasgonze/c5d935823ef17f5ffa3f (twtr.io/q5W5xPidx5)
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aaronpk
... was following indiewebcamp for 2 years and now ready to dive in
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aaronpk
... uses a private twitter account that nobody follows to post quick thoughts, but wants to move those to his own place
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aaronpk
... also uses tumblr but wants to move off
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tantek
SF: Tantek: need help with new section http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Tantek.com#need_help_with
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aaronpk
... has had his own domain/hosting since middle school
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I need help with fixing the rel-me auth PHP library doing rel-me auth handling with twitter. I added http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Tantek.com#need_help_with (twtr.io/q5WDijqqNw)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: never mind saving the world, fix your own site first. Sometimes you need to ask for help (twtr.io/q5WFwZNj7U)
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aaronpk
... next step is building a private twitter clone in ruby on rails for private notes
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aaronpk
... has a mac mini at home with a raspberry pi running openvpn, wants to run his private server there so it's not even on the internet
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tantek
SF: benwerd - got a need help with thing, posting audio
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gRegor-phone
Hello, hello
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tantek
… has a UI now, can press it an upload media
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Loqi
gRegor-phone: tantek left you a message on 3/25 at 12:45am: it's not a DRY violation if you only have one feed.html page which has your latest posts, *instead of* your home page. XML/RDF feeds are typically DRY violations because they *DUPLICATE* what's already on your home page.
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/504807152414760960/46030292 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people (webmention)
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Loqi
gRegor-phone: bret left you a message 3 weeks, 4 days ago: just updated the next HWC wiki page, can you look to make sure chicago details look right?
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/504806910848024576/1957282225 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27 (webmention)
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tantek
… on desktop it works. on mobile it either doesn't work or crashes
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: Ineed help with posting audio on known - we have the ability to upload audio, but on mobile it fails a lot. (twtr.io/q5WQLWZGwY)
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tantek
… trying to figure out how to let people upload audio, on a mobile device, on a web page
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gRegor-phone
Whoa. what's with the ancient tells?
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tantek
… doing it now on an andoird
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aaronpk
whoa... backtick?
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/504806910848024576/46030292 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27 (webmention)
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tantek
… by recording separately to a file
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tantek
… and then using Firefox to upload it
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: chrome on android strips out the file extension of the mp3 so I have to use Firefox (twtr.io/q5WUg6JmFU)
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gRegor-phone
I haven't used this nick before, that I can remember
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tantek
… can't use Chrome because Chrome strips the file extension of an audio file when it uploads
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tantek
… (this is all on Android)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: If I use GetUserMedia it saves as Wav files - I'd rather it was mp3 files (twtr.io/q5WWi7EwvU)
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aaronpk
next up: jennifer
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aaronpk
doesn't yet have a domain name
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gRegor-phone
just testing out beta chat in Nexus 4 Chrome. Works like a charm.
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aaronpk
...writer by profession, works on docs at symantec in eugene
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tantek
hello
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tantek
gRegor - possible that some message(s) were left for gRegor (without a backtick)
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npdoty
following multiple scribes writing in parallel is awesome/hard
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/benwerd/504807194076794880/504807544552824832 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27 (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/benwerd/504807194076794880/46030292 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27 (webmention)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I also made the software on my site between 3 and 20 times faster yesterday, so thats good. (twtr.io/q5WfkEF8NQ)
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aaronpk
... was involved in academia in the past, who were some of the first people to take advantage of the web
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gRegor-phone
interesting if Loqi only does too* matching.
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Loqi
is done
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aaronpk
... the Labyrinth, a compliation of research and teaching tools
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gRegor-phone
s/too/foo/
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Loqi
gRegor-phone meant to say: interesting if Loqi only does foo* matching.
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/benwerd/504807194076794880/2576431 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27 (webmention)
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aaronpk
... the Web was a real gift for people to be able show students things that were otherwise very inaccessible (microfishe, or physical items in locked cases)
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aaronpk
... in the past year has been trying to put some things together for herself
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tantek
SF: Liza tried to sign in to the wiki with lizasperling.com and G+ and it gave an error
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aaronpk
... has been going to writethedocs conference and meetups in pdx
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: do you have links to your profile on your site? You should be able to login (twtr.io/q5Wsq2KRWf)
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aaronpk
... has her own stuff she wants to write about, first step is needs a blog
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aaronpk
... would rather build up a blog from scratch. also because she wants to develop top-of-the-stack skills, background is in raw HTML/CSS from a while ago.
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aaronpk
tantek: note the two troubleshooting items here http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#Why_is_Google.2B_not_working
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tantek
kevinmarks, lizasperling see ^^^
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tantek
SF: Michael Verdi - needs help with WordPress, seems to get hacked a lot
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tantek
… is tired of it, doesn't want to deal with it
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tantek
… needs help with it
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tantek
… would like to keep 10 years of archives
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tantek
… but does have auto-updates working
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aaronpk
next up: edward
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aaronpk
... works at UTI doing UX work
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npd
is
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aaronpk
... current domain is castersblues.com but uses it mostly just for a cool email address
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tantek
SF: Michael Verdi - had a pharmahack problem due to an old wordpress plugin
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npd
is
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npd
abcd efgh ijkl
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npd
abcd
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tantek
SF: Michael Verdi - I like my Mozilla blog because other people take care of it
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npdoty
aaronpk, in the Web client, only one word that follows a "/me" seems to actually make it to the channel
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tantek
… but then I can't do anything with it
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aaronpk
... bought a new domain recently
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tantek
SF: Lucas - think about - embrace the transient nature of the web
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @lucas_gonze: I disabled a blog that I haven't touched for a few years; embrace the transient nature of the web. (twtr.io/q5XgVb0WiC)
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aaronpk
(npdoty: thanks https://github.com/aaronpk/indiewebcamp-irc-logs/issues/8)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/benwerd/504807194076794880/64218381 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27 (webmention)
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tantek
SF: KevinMarks - there are tools that will help you turn your site in just a set of static pages if you want to freeze a site
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aaronpk
... working on his own CSS framework
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aaronpk
... https://github.com/cast-blu/Ephemeral-Boilerplate
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: what @pinboard said was to run wordpress locally and use wget to make a static site from it (twtr.io/q5Xp8rYxEg)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @lucas_gonze: I disabled a blog that I haven't touched for a few years; embrace the transient nature of the web. (twtr.io/q5XporKpu8)
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bret.io
edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+74) "/* RSVP */ Added people" (view diff)
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ben_thatmust
That can work. Just using wget
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aaronparecki.com
edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+16) "add Jennifer (no website yet)" (view diff)
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npdoty
a theme in the PDX discussions is that we all should be blogging about our work in progress, because the others would be interested in reading about it, even if it's not finished yet
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benwerd
concurs
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KevinMarks__
!tell aaronpk intersting indieauth problem with lizasperling.com - Google is adding a rel-me to https://plus.google.com/107379489464447013340 but that redirects to https://plus.google.com/+LizaSperling which gets rejected by indieauth
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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benwerd
blogging also seems to have a disproportionate community effect - blog posts seem to get a lot of attention, are reshared, get lots of thoughtful replies, etc
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aaronpk
KevinMarks__: weird... will look at that later... I thought it was checking intermediate redirects for matches too
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Loqi
aaronpk: KevinMarks__ left you a message 46 seconds ago: intersting indieauth problem with lizasperling.com - Google is adding a rel-me to https://plus.google.com/107379489464447013340 but that redirects to https://plus.google.com/+LizaSperling which gets rejected by indieauth
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benwerd
If any of you are Lift users, there's a "write 500 words a day" challenge - I'm using that to blog. Totally think you all should join me.
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tantek
SF: Michael Verdi is using ftp to edit his htaccess file so he can enable his WordPress to edit
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gregorlove.com
edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+376) "/* Notes */ Chicago" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+19) "user: link for Lucas" (view diff)
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npdoty
discussion of Google Web Starter Kit, see: https://developers.google.com/web/starter-kit/
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gregorlove.com
edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+39) "/* RSVP */ Adding Margot" (view diff)
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tantek
today's meetup: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club
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kylewm
what is Lift?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Lift" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Lift
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tantek
What is Google Web Starter Kit?
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Loqi
Google Web Starter Kit is front-end code boilerplate and "tooling for multi-device development" http://indiewebcamp.com/Google_Web_Starter_Kit
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gonze.com
created /User:Gonze.com (+84) "Created page with "An indie shortener I made: https://gist.github.com/lucasgonze/c5d935823ef17f5ffa3f"" (view diff)
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benwerd
kylewm: it's an app that aims to help you build good habits. I'm a fan.
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tantek
KevinMarks, add to http://indiewebcamp.com/Blogger#Issues re: not being able to add arbitrary rel=me links in that particular template
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aaronpk
bret talking about using private tumblor blogs as a backup of content
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npdoty
I still don't fully understand this Google Web Starter Kit, but it does sound nice (like: "Reload the browser in real-time anytime an edit is made without the need for an extension.")
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tantek
aaronpk - why private? I use tantek.tumblr.com as a public backup of other silo posts - /PESETAS style
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michaelverdi.com
edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+42) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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lucasgonze
Web Starter Kit took a bit for me to grok too
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tantek
npdoty - feel free to add questions to the wiki page on Web Starter Kit
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lucasgonze
it is halfway between html5boilerplate and Bootstrap
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npdoty
sounds like it uses (or is similar to) this gulp.js build tool: http://gulpjs.com/
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lucasgonze
yes, it comes with gulp serve, for example
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lucasgonze
but they don't expect you to ever pull from them again after your intial one
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tantek
SF: Michael Verdi was able to update his htaccess to allow editing his WordPress and added a rel=me link and successfully logged into the wiki!
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lucasgonze
it's a super fancy template
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bret
my PESATAS of pinboard http://physisima.tumblr.com
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tantek.com
created /PESATAS (+21) "r" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com
edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+54) "/* Photos */ Chi photo placeholder" (view diff)
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Post-by-email * uploaded "[[File:20140828-022724.jpg]]": Uploaded via email by Aaron Parecki <aar*@*recki.com>
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michaelverdi.com
created /User:Michaelverdi.com (+132) "Created page with "Hi I'm Michael Verdi.<br> Blogs: *[http://michaelverdi.com michaelverdi.com] *[http://blog.mozilla.org/verdi blog.mozilla.org/verdi]"" (view diff)
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lucasgonze
what is PESOS
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Loqi
http://indiewebcamp.com/pesos
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aaronpk
hm I wonder what his email adderss is
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tantek.com
edited /pesos (-18) "redirect" (view diff)
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tantek
what is PESOS?
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Loqi
PESOS is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate (to your) Own Site http://indiewebcamp.com/pesos
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ben_thatmust
interesting I'll have to check in to that web starter kit tomorrow
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Gregorlove.com * uploaded "[[File:hwc-2014-08-27-chi.jpg]]"
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kevinmarks.com
edited /Blogger (+405) "/* Issues */" (view diff)
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * Aaronparecki.com * uploaded a new version of "[[File:20140828-022724.jpg]]"
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gRegor`
!tell Kartikprabhu Nice smile. :) http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret
http://www.sitepoint.com/css3-transitions-101/
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npdoty
Loqi, what is PESETAS?
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bret
npdoty http://weblinc.github.io/jquery.smoothState.js/advanced-implementation.html
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Loqi
PESETAS is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate Everything To A Silo http://indiewebcamp.com/PESETAS
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gRegor`
tantek: ^ Look! Chicago photo! We're real.
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Aaronparecki.com * deleted "[[File:20140828-022724.jpg]]": bad rotation
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Aaronparecki.com * uploaded "[[File:2014-08-27-hwc-pdx.jpg]]"
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aaronparecki.com
edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+94) "add pdx photo" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+14) "/* Photos */ resize and spacing" (view diff)
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gRegor`
I like that Riker is still on the glass, aaronpk :) Or is that a normal ESRI thing?
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@marccanter4real
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: I'm tantek, my site is http://tantek.com (twtr.io/q5Zoa5z_FU)
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aaronpk
gRegor`: lol yeah we leave them up
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aaronpk
and today Jennifer registered her domain! (no hosting set up yet) http://yourmom.io/
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gRegor`
suhweet domain
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npdoty
Google Web Fundamentals, https://developers.google.com/web/fundamentals/
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gRegor`
surprised it wasn't taken
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aaronpk
so were ALL OF US
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aaronpk
we all pretty much said GET IT NOW OMG
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gRegor`
Hahah
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aaronpk
wrapping up here!
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ben_thatmust
wish links on ?beta would all open new pages when logged in
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/504809229346021376/758056 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Tantek.com#need_help_with (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/504807152414760960/961661 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/504806910848024576/758056 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27 (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/504807152414760960/758056 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/504806453115252736/758056 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27 (webmention)
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kylewm
!tell benwerd my replies to you still don't seem to show up! lemme know if I should stop bugging you about it https://kylewm.com/reply/2014/08/28/1/maybe-like-judd-apatow-movies-definitely
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm
great photo KartikPrabhu, hahah
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KartikPrabhu
:P
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: gRegor` left you a message 21 minutes ago: Nice smile. :) http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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gRegor`
I didn't even look after taking the photo. Just noticed when I uploaded it.
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kylewm
CalvinPrabhu
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gRegor`
The relatively easy way I figured to upload photos directly from the phone is to add a link to the non-existent file on the wiki page (via desktop), then on the phone click the file link and it prompts for the upload.
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Tantek.com * uploaded "[[File:hwc-2014-239-sf.jpg]]"
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verdi_
lucasgonze: http://5by5.tv/webahead/76
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tantek.com
edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+98) "/* Photos */ SF photo" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu
verdi_ ooo that one is not my to-listen list :P
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KartikPrabhu
s/not/on
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu meant to say: verdi_ ooo that one is on my to-listen list :P
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verdi_
:)
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tantek
michel_v, and lucasgonze add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people
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gonze.com
edited /IRC_People (+120) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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gonze.com
edited /IRC_People (-45) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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michaelverdi.com
edited /IRC_People (+127) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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michaelverdi.com
edited /events/2014-09-24-homebrew-website-club (+44) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /events/2014-09-24-homebrew-website-club (+8) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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michaelverdi.com
created /Template:verdi (+185) "Created page with "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">{{sparkline|https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/499017446842310656/pryl_eia_400x400.jpeg}}[[User:Michaelverdi.com|Michael Verdi" target="_blank">User:Michaelverdi.com|Michael" target="_blank">https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/499017446842310656/pryl_eia_400x400.jpeg}}[[User:Michaelverdi.com|Michael Verdi]]..."" (view diff)
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@michaelverdi
Totally having a blast at the Homebrew Website Club http://indiewebcamp.com/events/next-hwc (twtr.io/q5eBmnq5Wf)
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tantek
SF: benwerd just recovered fatberg.org - stay tuned for updates!
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michaelverdi.com
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michaelverdi.com
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/504806910848024576/2788841 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27 (webmention)
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@bali_maha Going through #withknown setup process now. Test tweet from http://known.jenniferenglund.net/ #indieweb (twtr.io/q5hirWwFdg)
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KartikPrabhu
!tell npdoty I am also interested in having web (read HTML) versions of my papers (traditionally written in Latex) any good recommendations for writing in a common format (markdown?) and then exporting to HTML/Latex/PDF as need be?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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npdoty
KartikPrabhu, yeah!
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Loqi
npdoty: KartikPrabhu left you a message 39 seconds ago: I am also interested in having web (read HTML) versions of my papers (traditionally written in Latex) any good recommendations for writing in a common format (markdown?) and then exporting to HTML/Latex/PDF as need be?
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KartikPrabhu
oh hi! :)
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npdoty
I need to write up a blog post with the process I'm using now
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KartikPrabhu
yes please :)
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KartikPrabhu
I still write in Latex because my advisor/collaborators do but it pretty much sucks
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npdoty
but the very short version is: write in Markdown, use Pandoc + citeproc to render to HTML and to LaTeX/PDF, a Makefile and a few custom filters to add bells and whistles
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npdoty
happens to be in the channel because he's writing up an email/blog post about tonight's meeting
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KartikPrabhu
tried pandoc about 3 years ago... wasn't that mature then I think
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KartikPrabhu
does the math come out in MathML ?
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neuro`
KartikPrabhu: some colleagues of mine are using it, seems more stable, but not sure about MathML.
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KartikPrabhu
neuro`: I mainly do mathematical physics so papers are filled with a lot of math-stuff
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neuro`
They use Pandoc with some other things to turn huge projcets code into ebooks so they can read the code on the beach.
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neuro`
KartikPrabhu: this explains that, and the fact you're still using LateX
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KartikPrabhu
MathJax is great but I would rather have math in MathML by defualt instead of latex soup
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KartikPrabhu
neuro`: Latex is horrible. so many wasted hours getting the layout right!
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@fdevillamil
Blog: The Personal Blog (about @fredwilson post). #blogging, #indieweb. http://t37.net/the-personal-blog.html (twtr.io/q5rSr7iMJz)
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neuro`
KartikPrabhu: yeah, last time I used it was 11 years ago and I'm happy I don't have anymore, even though the rendering is awesome.
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npdoty
I appreciate that, until my webmention-sending code is running automatically, I can reply to a post of aaronpk and then just paste my URL on his page and click a button
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npdoty
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 554 karma
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KartikPrabhu
npdoty: webmention forms are brilliant! advantage of just using plain old HTMl + HTTP
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KartikPrabhu
npdoty: afaik webmention forms were first used by adactio
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neuro`
Unfortunately, too few sites support it.
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KartikPrabhu
neuro`: the rendering can be fixed (and made much better) with CSS! :)
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npdoty
KartikPrabhu, I also don't know how MathML works with regard to Pandoc
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npdoty
... but I can confirm that the project is mature and well-maintained now
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KartikPrabhu
neuro`: you can make your own form like so: https://kartikprabhu.com/connection/webmentionsender ;)
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npdoty
... and Professor MacFarlane (in Philosophy at Berkeley) has been extremely responsive when I've filed bugs
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KartikPrabhu
npdoty: good to know... will take it for a spin and await eagerly your blog post on it :)
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neuro`
KartikPrabhu: was more thinking about the endpoint. I need to add that on my publishing tool too.
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npdoty
... and in general Pandoc is extensible via filters (which can run arbitrary code on an intermediate object form of any piece of writing) or just via piping tools
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KartikPrabhu
neuro`: aah yes that is an issue. hopefully soon people will warm up to having their own sites
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neuro`
KartikPrabhu: lovely, loving the form.
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KartikPrabhu
neuro`: I should add more details on the page about how it parses for links and all tht
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KartikPrabhu
npdoty: from pandoc homepage "Several different methods of rendering math in HTML are provided, including MathJax and translation to MathML" !!! oh man!
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npdoty
there you go!
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KartikPrabhu
jumps with excitement!
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npdoty
I have noticed that when I go looking for whether a feature exists, jgm has often already considered or even implemented it
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KartikPrabhu
npdoty: signs of a good library :)
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KartikPrabhu
alrighty! must sleep... have more math+latex to write tomorrow :P
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KartikPrabhu
thanks npdoty and neuro`
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KartikPrabhu
night Loqi!
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Loqi
yeah!
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neuro`
Have a good night KartikPrabhu
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Loqi
gute nacht!
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tantek.com
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tantek
good evening neuro`! add yourself with an image to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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neuro`
tantek: good morning. Sure will do.
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t37.net
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