2020/West/webmentions-and-automation

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Codeless automation tools and the indieweb + How webmentions and the web work was a session at IndieWebCamp West 2020.

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Notes archived from etherpad: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/webmentions-and-automation


IndieWebCamp West 2020
Session: Codeless automation tools and the indieweb + How webmentions and the web work
When: 2020-06-27 13:15

Proposal

  • Introduction about http and web technologies underlying the Webmentions spec for beginners
  • IFTTT, Zapier, Integromat, etc - how can they be useful for us, who is using for them, and for what
    • discussion on using these tools for indieweb purposes, such as syndication, PESOS, etc
    • benefits and drawbacks
    • personal experiences with these services
    • demos, if anyone can provide one
  1. automatinator (tribute to -inators, as in machines doing the thing)

Participants

Notes

Peter is doing a screen share to show https://www.integromat.com/ to show how how an RSS feed as a source of truth goes through a number of steps how.

An exported JSON that can be imported into integromat.com is available at: integromat-petermolnar.json

1. have a URL like an RSS feed 2. Method: HTTP Get request - Sends push notification to a phone 3. filter out photos and notes (everything in the rss feed with an enclosure is a photo or category doesn't not contain notes. 4. ping Bridgy for flickr. make a requests and a push request.

Bridgy trigger is a webmention. webhook is a generic term for a service that is doing something for you. sends an HTTP Request. Webmention is a specific kind of requests.

Here's a link for how Chris Aldrich leverages RSS feeds and IFTTT to create posts from a variety of social media sites to his website using micropub. If you've got a micropub plugin or set up, it requires little code, and what code it does can be cut and pasted and pieces can be logically replaced:

   https://boffosocko.com/2020/01/21/using-ifttt-to-syndicate-pesos-content-from-social-services-to-wordpress-using-micropub/

Similar high level call to action: https://snarfed.org/2019-07-19_37909

DIfference between automation on the web (e.g. adjacent to browser) vs automation from your OS (e.g. adjacent to your desktop experience -> Alfred, Hazel, etc)

Bridgy has open requests to add 28 different new silos: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22new+silo%22 . Realistically, most of those will never get implemented. But they could, in a no code tool! Ryan would happily help anyone who wants to try, just ping him. Background: https://snarfed.org/backfeed-without-code

See Also

https://threadreaderapp.com/ https://ia.net/writer https://indieweb.org/Micropub https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Servers https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Clients

Links to various steps for indieweb steps https://indiewebify.me/

  • not just the web based services, but the OS level ones are similar - they could easily be used as, for example micropub clients
  • silos are adding surprising features, like micropub

For what it's worth I'm taking breif notes and thoughts at. Nothing in detail more like idle thoughts. https://www.linuxbookpro.com/codeless-automation-tools-and-the-indieweb-how-webmentions-and-the-web-works/

  • the vocabulary of our tech stack is confusing. A generic cheat-sheet could be useful (what's a webhook? what's a micropub? etc) Indieweb site has a wiki with documentation of these different terms.
  • android app Indigenous can be a source for WordPress via micropub
  • hibs would like to connect fully static / handcrafted services to other sites
  • she also described webmentions for Hexo

Chris Aldrich's Youtube Tutorial (Wordpress Indieweb) https://youtu.be/ZsPjdk2-m68