events/2025-03-26-hwc-europe
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Homebrew Website Club Europe/London was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2025-03-26.
- Archived from: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2025-03-26-hwc-europe
Participants
capjamesg - https://jamesg.blog
zacharykai - https://zacharykai.net
mandaris - https://mandarismoore.com/
benji - https://benji.dogJoe Crawford https://artlung.com/
jo https://dead.garden
Kevin Marks https://kevinmarks.com
Tantek Γelik https://tantek.com/- Template:james https://jamesbrierly.com/
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Notes
- Welcome to HWC!
- Music and rhythm
- Question to think about: what is the rhythm of a website?
- Some musicians switch between instruments mid-song. What does this mean for a website?
- What is the tempo of a website?
- Putting two-bar grooves on your website
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_harp
- https://www.youtube.com/@roberttiso
- https://jamesg.blog/search-pages?q=taylor%20swift&page=1
- Background music on your websites
- James thinks his website fits in with a classical vibe (but it was noted that Taylor Swift would be a good fit too!)
- An instrument of browser tabs
- Looking forward to writing more on our websites
- Writing / editing being an enjoyable, therapeutic process
- Adding an edit section to posts on your website
- Question to think about: what is the rhythm of a website?
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- Music fans: Go find and listen to Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon". Go. Tonight. Turn the lights off and listen to it. (Older folks: Please nobody mention "The Wizard Of Oz" here, we can discuss that after everybody's heard it normally.)
- Tom Stoppard's radio play DarkSide for the 40th Anniversary of the Album - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z06tu58oePA
- Westworld S3 also used part of DSoM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohMRfCxUKkA (piano version)
- Another Pink FLoyd song, with the original Jazz violin solo restored https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm4sDyCW0k8
- sound design in movies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kavxsXhzD48
Passing parameters to SVG https://kizu.dev/svg-linked-parameters-workaround/
- Flow comes up in a lot of places
- Music
- Communication / speech
- Design
- Typography
CSS article about Flow https://piccalil.li/blog/flow-utility/
Csikszentmihalyi on Flow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihaly_Csikszentmihalyi#Flow
IndieWeb band
- The instruments we know on the call would make for an interesting band
What we're doing on our websites this week
- IndieAuth module for Apache (written in C)
- Putting things out there on the web
- Joe shared his mixtapes on Mastodon, someone responded with a UI that looks like a cassette; the serendipity of the web.
- Audio Control with the look of a cassette: https://sheep.horse/2025/3/a_cassette_audio_control_for_the_web.html
- mandaris still interested in integrating https://libre.fm/
- And interested in reworking the search system on his website
- Experimenting with IndieAuth
- Message in a Bottle is a Taylor Swift song
- Audio Control with the look of a cassette: https://sheep.horse/2025/3/a_cassette_audio_control_for_the_web.html
https://projects.metafilter.com/6368/Cassette-Audio-Control-for-the-Web
Talking about things you make can help you find people interested in working on something you're building
- https://jamesg.blog/coffee-songs
- I'm also thinking about a Garfield coffee index, definitely featuring https://www.gocomics.com/garfield/2021/07/18
"My website is my omnibus of everything"
- Mike's page "Mikesplaining" page on time signatures: "A Young Person's Guide To Common Time Signatures" https://michaelkupietz.com/writing/mikesplaining/young-persons-common-signatures/ (while we're at it, a little on harmonic theory: "Why are two notes an octave apart considered the same note?" https://michaelkupietz.com/writing/mikesplaining/musical-notes-octave-considered/)
- https://sive.rs/music
- Thinking about how our styles evolve on our websites
- You can make a web page that lists the designs you have had on your website
Versions of a website - https://arielsalminen.com/faq/#:~:text=Do%20you%20have%20old%20versions%20of%20your%20website%20still%20around
- Kupietz's first-ever professional web site: https://web.archive.org/web/19980129091309/http://www.greentortoise.com:80/ (archive.org is corrupting the image map on that page, the map actually looked as it appears on the top of the next version of the site at https://web.archive.org/web/19980627072713/http://www.greentortoise.com:80/)
Being aware of what we share on our websites
- "Hereβs the last 30 days." section on https://artlung.com
Making pages with their own, distinct layout on your website
- Can be jarring, but allows experimentation in design
- Having a common section -- like a navigation bar! -- would be useful
- This could also be a hamburger menu in the bottom corner that is distinct from everything else on the site; works well with light-dark mode
- Could web components be used here?
- A marker of "Here's where you are!" (like the lowercase "i" button)
- Loading screen between pages with an interstitial that says "And now for a new design!" :D
"Recapitulate" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recapitulation_theory "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny" Idea for an Etherpad extension: sign in with your domain name so you can persist the colour of your text
- KM the pie chart reminds me of my now-immortal Bip Bop test sequence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD4emXqHCsE
CSS transitions API
- https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/View_Transition_API
- https://developer.chrome.com/docs/web-platform/view-transitions
Information design on websites
- Is information design more intuitive to people newer to the web because there has been so much work done?
- James observation: it would be fun to try and make an information architecture as different as possible to what exists already. (A digital garden that has a garden background and lots of images that connect things; image map navigation; what link structures could exist?)
- It's hard to make consistent navigation on an old site with lots of pages
- Experimenting with different types of content / structures can help you find one that you like
- Wikipedia proved that a flat information architecture works well for large numbers of documents
- Premature heirarchy can create a lot of overhead.
- Wikipedia has noted that language subdomains (i.e. de.wikipedia) was a mistake
- Domains cause a need for SSO / auth cookies / lots of technical overhead
- Showing contributions across language wikis is hard
- Sitemaps can help people find their way through a website
- Mini maps are a spatial representation of a sitemap
- Visual distinctions can help people remember where things are // things being in their own place on the website.
- "Related pages" section on your website
- James is interested in doing hybrid category list / wiki pages
- How can video game design influence the information architecture of your website?
- Tantek's advice: start flat.
- I have a Digital Weedpatch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida
- This fellow has projects by domains - https://cloudlord.management/
- https://melonking.net/free/software/flood is funny :D
- This fellow has projects by domains - https://cloudlord.management/
- The Internet Phone Book is in print! Slowly coming together! https://www.are.na/kristoffer-tjalve/photo-album-printing-the-internet-phone-book
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1169797.The_Internet_White_Pages_1994
- "CSS is incredible!"
- Where the apostophe goes in the plural for James
- James's - per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_James%27s
- James (https://jamesbrierly.com/) uses Univers font on his website
- Found via https://jero.zone/
- Considerations for testing your website: make sure the fonts work on different OSes
- Making your website without AI
- The IndieWeb being a more raw way to express yourself
- Exciting to look back in a year and see what *you* have been writing about
- Websites as a way to connect with people
- The personal website community is fun; you don't need to worry about follower counts. Lots of people to meet.
- https://photos.jamesbrierly.com/ has a cool design feature where when you scroll the information about the photo persists.
- Philosophy is intentional design; less is more.
All the auths: authorization, authorship.
https://slashpages.net#nope "a list of things you don't like or don't want to do"
- https://fyr.io/nope
- A meta /nope page which only sais "No"
- And /yeah pages exist too
- /yes and /nope pages relate to the idea of site principles, like https://tracydurnell.com/2025/01/21/guiding-principles-for-my-website/ and https://sarajaksa.eu/2025/02/in-reply-to-tracys-guiding-principles-for-my-website/ and https://jamesg.blog/2025/03/05/philosophy-of-james-coffee-blog
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1ornz8/these_two_books_contain_the_sum_total_of_all/
- This is funny :D
"We're both in the same rabbit hole right now"
- /hwc-quotes wiki page? that'd be great
Jo's radio station: https://dead.garden/radio/
- https://kingposs.com/radio
- Collaborative radio
- https://sdf.org/?tutorials/anonradio
- What would it look like to have an open mic night on your own radio station?
- https://onsug.com/ is a collaborative podcast
https://blog.avas.space/ noted the question of what it would be like to have others write a post for your website (maybe just a friend)
- Jo, you're welcome to post on my website! - James (jamesg.blog)
- https://indieweb.org/representative_h-card
- mandaris The initial goal was to make things work with https://webmention.rocks/ and https://indieweb.org/
- https://indieweb.org/authorship
- mandaris: Still confused in how it works as the validators do not show the author
"ombudsman"
- another idea: /words-of-hwc; a running list of unique words we mention on HWC
- https://artlung.com/rsvp/ I have a spot to do my webmention rsvps now
- https://artlung.com/cssbattles/ is a new official page to track my css battles
- I've added more mixtapes at https://artlung.com/mixtapes/
- And more blogging and uploading images and videos https://artlung.com/videos/
- Reminders of other IndieWeb This Week!
- Still time to watch and post about What's Up Doc for IndieWeb Movie Club https://artlung.com/whatsupdoc-imc/
- Front End Study Hall 024 is tomorrow https://events.indieweb.org/2025/03/front-end-study-hall-024-j8dtucnWT7Iz
- A (snarky) idea for a /yes page: something you can share with people in heated discussions
- "What do you think?" "https://example.com/yes"
Neat idea: adding an editing interface on your web pages at the bottom so you don't need to transition to a different editing UI.
You can change the details/summary icons in CSS. Michael has done this on his website.
"Self-hosting: it's like being a parent!"
- https://www.w3.org/2025/03/breakouts-day-2025/Overview.html
- Calendar of events https://www.w3.org/calendar/breakouts-day-2025/
- Thinking about PESOS from Bluesky to personal websites
- AT protocol event
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoagVD-Baa4&list=PL47nQSDRhiP2m8RH_AM4NTWuzN3XA3W27&index=1
- Bluesky are doing interesting things with crawling to make sure users get the content they expect in their feeds
- https://engineering.tumblr.com/post/21276808338/tumblr-firehose
- https://brid.gy/ works with Bluesky and fed.brid.gy
- Using Bluesky as a reader
- Thing to think about when posting to Bluesky via Brid.gy: how do you want your posts to show up (truncated, post title, link to post, etc.)
- Bluesky treats links well
- Bessemer Convertor
- Steel cobbles β search this phrase on YouTube for wild videos of industrial accidents (non-fatal)
- A metal-style IndieWeb radio ads
- An IndieWeb jingle?
- "Ice cream is a state of mind"
- Michael's website is now ranking on Google
- From page 11 to 1
- Kupietz's Pirate Cat Radio promo https://michaelkupietz.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/05-Michael-Kupietz-Pirate-Cat-Radio-Promo.mp3 (whole radio show, 1 hr live performance: https://michaelkupietz.com/music-sounds/full-length-albums/michael-kupietz-almost-5282009/)
- Original "wazzup" Budweiser ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJmqCKtJnxM
- A "wazzup" welcome message that plays when someone visits your website
- Horrible Quiznos ad; Kupietz is glad he didn't have a TV then https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=23&v=aZrks-BPeLQ&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=MzY4NDIsMjg2NjY
- "Why?"
- "Because it's fun!"
- "Oh, good enough!"
- Idea: make a gopher version of your website
- WordPress hotline / hotline where you can call for specific help for a technical topic
- James should blog about the coffee hotline phone he set up
- Future version was an email https://jamesg.blog/2024/02/20/coffee-hotline/
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcAx4djR25Q
- Nintendo hotline: https://www.reddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/6pbbim/when_you_were_stuck_on_a_certain_game_ever_call/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au1He0_eCkw
James' hands smelled like old books after showcasing an old dictionary n the topic of perfumes: https://www.tumblr.com/fragranticareviewers/777632726253731840
- food
- frittata
- midnight omlette
- food hydrtator
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_omelette
- band name: guitars and oatmeal
- idea: a band name with a url in the name