events/2025-01-15-hwc-europe

Homebrew Website Club Europe/London was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2025-01-15.

• Archived from: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2025-01-15-hwc-europe

Participants

• Mark Sutherland co-host https://marksuth.dev/
• Joe Crawford https://artlung.com/
• capjamesg - https://jamesg.blog/
• Paul Watson - https://www.lazaruscorporation.co.uk/
• jo - https://dead.garden
• Vince Aggrippino - https://vaggrippino.github.io
• Reilly Spitzfaden https://reillyspitzfaden.com/
• Tantek Çelik
• benji https://benji.dog
• Sara Jakša https://sarajaksa.eu
• Add yourself here… (see this for more details)

Introductions

• Welcome to Homebrew Website Club!
• Introductions
  • Mark
  • James
  • Joe https://artlung.com/
  • Matthew
    • is looking to get data into a repository for to develop his website
  • Vince calling in from Malaysia - looking to get back into web development!
  • Michael https://michaelkupietz.com/
  • Paul W https://www.lazaruscorporation.co.uk/
  • Jo https://dead.garden/
  • Reilly https://reillyspitzfaden.com/
    • Web (https://rnbo.cycling74.com/learn/the-web-export-target) and WASM (https://github.com/Cycling74/rnbo.adapter.wasm) with Max/RNBO
• Adam https://adamchamberlin.info/
• Synth talk that James mentioned:
  • https://2024.stateofthebrowser.com/speaker/katie-fenn/

Discussion: webmentions & microformats

• rsvp#How_to_RSVP_with_HTML
• A way to send Webmentions: https://telegraph.p3k.io/
  • https://aaronparecki.com/

2018/06/30/11/your-first-webmention

• • Automatically send webmentions: https://webmention.app/

• https://indiewebify.me/ can be used to inspect pages for what microformats are present on a page
• https://github.com/indieweb/mention-client-php PHP library for parsing the microformats and sending the webmention
• https://github.com/capjamesg/indieweb-utils has a send_webmention method for Python!

Discussion: What to build a website with in 2024

• https://micro.blog
• Lots of talk about the value and frustrations with WordPress and other content management systems
  • "Low-code" promises are suspect
  • Issues with WordPress
    • Leadership issues
    • Block Editor (aka Gutenberg) vs "Classic Editor"
    • WordPress is popular, easy to start using
• https://blog.cathoderaydude.com/doku.php?id=blog:making_a_website_is_hard
• There are many alternatives to WordPress
  • Ghost, https://micro.blog, https://omg.lol, https://bearblog.dev, lmno.lol
  • If a person looking to start a website has the time, trying a few out would be time well-spent

• I think this was the Word-like simple HTML export: https://onlinehtmleditor.dev/
• https://micro.one/
• https://omg.lol
• https://pixelfed.org/
  • with recent negative press about Meta, lots more mainstream news about Pixelfed https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/14/24343614/instagram-alternative-pixelfed-app-launch-ios-android

Discussion: archaic media formats

• Obscure audio formats
  • http://www.deadmedia.org/index.html (and many many other formats as well)
  • http://www.deadmedia.org/notes/index-cat.html for all the categories of dead media
  • Recent Adam Savage about obscure mostly-cassette audio formats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uw3WIwnnOE
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DualDisc - this is what the Modest Mouse CD was

Misc!

• It's Wikipedia's Birthday! It's 24 years old today - first edits 15 January 2001
  • Joe Crawford's first edit was to add an entry for "respiratory therapist" on 24 September 2001 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Respiratory_therapist&oldid=350382199

• Online Safety Act (UK) https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/online-safety-act-explainer/online-safety-act-explainer#who-the-act-applies-to
  • Implications for indieweb?

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/illegal-and-harmful-content/time-for-tech-firms-to-act-uk-online-safety-regulation-comes-into-force/

• https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/illegal-and-harmful-content/guide-for-services/

• https://norvig.com/
• Word segmentation: https://norvig.com/ngrams/ch14.pdf
• YTPs and "pingas" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_Poop#Editing_techniques
  • example of use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqfv9elAWgQ

• https://www.dookiedemastered.com/

• Internet Bots (popularized on Twitter)
  • https://botwiki.org/
  • https://github.com/matrix07012/ace-attorney-mastodon-bot
  • Joe Crawford created a page https://artlung.com/text-bots/ to document the bots he's made over the years
  • https://wetdry.world/@oott -- out of touch thursdays

• onto weights and measures
  • https://londonist.com/london/videos/video-the-imperial-measures-of-trafalgar-square
• the FFF system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFF_system
• MDN: the data element: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/data (for representing data
• the Wikipedia article on a billion is just the number because of all that confusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,000,000,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion

Proposal in progress for an HTML amount element for physical quantities:

• https://github.com/mozilla/explainers/blob/main/amount.md

• https://tilde.club/~artlung/
  • Joe Crawford learned this week that HTML 2.0 specification did not allow for CLASS, ID, or STYLE attributes. The HTML 3.0 spec *did*, but HTML 3.2 *did not* include them. I suspect they were considered for future enhancements to the web platform.
• HTML3+microformats example: otvstudios.com

"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so." Douglas Adams "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"

• movies we've seen

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proofreader%27s_marks

• Endless Screaming https://bots.robots.rodeo/@scream
• Mondo Mascots https://mondomascots.com/ (their instagram is full of photos https://www.instagram.com/mondomascots/ )
• chewable milk
• aromaboy

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krapfen_(doughnut)

• streak representations on a website, brainstorming with Tantek Çelik
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_Elements#Compact_table
• We talked about Accessibility and emojis in December during FrESH: events/2024-12-17-front-end-study-hall#A11y_and_Emoji_Discussion

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